Pro-Slavery Creationist Dogma: Refuted by
Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology), LL.D., F.R.S.

The Bible teaches God as the common creator of all, the brotherhood of Man, Eve as the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20), all are of one blood or genetics (Acts 17:26), indeed "all flesh is grass" or protoplasm (common molecular constituents, Isaiah 40:6) (of dirt / ground / earth / dust, Genesis 2:19 and 3:19), identical to animals (Job 25:6, Psalm 22:6, Isaiah 41:14 and 51:7-8), and that everyone's rights must be respected (Genesis 1:28).

Re the "all flesh is grass" or dirt concept, note that "DNA analysis . . . demonstrates and quantifies the kinship of all life on earth; 98.4 percent of human DNA is identical to that of the chimpanzee . . . Perhaps 50 percent of our genes are shared with lowly yeast. We have genes in common with bacteria, even though our branch of the family, the eukaryote, split off billions of years ago from the prokaryote branch that includes bacteria," says Physics Prof. Robert L. Park, Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud (Oxford Univ Press, 2000), Chapter 4, pp 81-82.

Indeed, note the "evidence that our true origins are not just human, or even terrestial, but actually cosmic [beyond] thinking of ourselves and our origins in relation to our closest kin among the primates . . . learn to think of ourselves as kin to starlight, to the chemical elements blown into space by exploding stars billions of years ago. . . . come to see this massive Earth we inhabit as one more speck of cosmic dust in the ever-expanding universe," say Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Ph.D., and Donald Goldsmith, Ph.D., Origins (New York: W.W. Norton & Co, 2004). (Origins was also a PBS Nova program.)

"What is man that thou art mindful of him?" ask Psalm 8:4 and Hebrews 2:6, about beings genetically, biologically, chemically, so like other creatures, the rest of creation, organic and inorganic.

Creationists before and during the time of Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology) rejected the above-cited Bible statements, thus rejected the facts of genetics, biology, chemistry. They taught the opposite, including "white-manism" (white supremacy). Creationists were slavers and pro-slavery.

Creationists claim to be Christian! claim to get their views from the Bible! but in fact they are not, and they do not. They were fabricating, confabulating, in short, lying, by their rejecting the above Bible statements, all the while brazenly pretending to get their views from the Bible! :) a brazen Hitleresque "Big Lie"! :)

Creationists believed and "argued that blacks and whites had originated as separate species, with whites created superior" ("white-manism"). Blacks were defined by law as not people, they "were not considered people," says Edward C. Rogers, Letters on Slavery (Boston: Bela Marsh, 1855), Chapter VIII, p 77. See also

  • the historic classic pagan view, slaves as andropoda, mere man-footed creatures, not human, says Prof. Michael Parenti, Ph.D., in "Why Slavery,"
  • the Nazi untermenschen view, the under-human, sub-human, view,
  • the Dred Scott case that blacks, as they are a separate species (andropoda, untermenschen), have "no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and . . . might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit . . . ."
  • the ultra-maltreatment of slaves, including but not limited to the "Bible Belt" (!) refusing Bibles to the slaves
  • the "Council of Conservative Citizens" (white supremacist group linked to Republican Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour) position that blacks are "a retrograde species of humanity."
  • It was "well known that the [Southern states' creationism-based] laws regard slaves not as men, but things; as mere goods and chattels, to all intents, constructions, and purposes whatever; entirely in the hands and subject to the wills of the masters to whom they belong," says Rev. Silas McKeen, D.D., A Scriptural Argument in Favor of Withdrawing Fellowship From Churches and And Ecclesiastical Bodies Tolerating Slaveholding Among Them (New York: American & Foreign Anti-Slavery Society, 1848), p 7.

    Note also the following creationist quotes from Prof. J. Saunders Redding (1906–1988) (English Dept Head, Hampton Institute, Virginia), The Lonesome Road: The Story of the Negro's Part in America (New York: Doubleday, 1958), reprinted as a selection, "Tonight for Freedom," in American Heritage, Vol. ix, issue 4 (June 1958), pp 52-55 and 90, at 90:

  • the slaver/creationist sneering snarl of the time, "Nigras, sir, are brute beasts."
  • the Civil War Yankee/creationist song words:
    To the flag we are pledged, all its foes we abhor,
    And we ain't for the nigger, but we are for the war
    .
  • Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology), LL.D., F.R.S., was appalled by creationist lying about the Bible, lying about fellow humans, even to the extreme of claiming that blacks are a separate species! Darwin had observed slavery in person, had seen some of slaver brutalities, and accordingly wrote Origin of Species (1859) to rebut the aforesaid slaver / creationist dogma. The year 1859 was the same year that Saint John Brown was following Bible principles and Bible-based teachings and precedents, acting to free slaves at Harper's Ferry. The year 1859 was also the year Abraham Lincoln was about to become a strong U.S. presidential contender.

    What the Bible Really Says
    About Slavery: Examples
    Fee | Garrison | Green | Horsley
    Lay | Rankin | Sandiford | Sewall

    Creationist dogma has evil effects. The U.S. Supreme Court under creationist (Bible-Belt, Religious Right) domination had ruled in the 1857 Dred Scott case that blacks, as they are a separate species (andropoda, untermenschen), "a subordinate and inferior class of beings," they have "no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and . . . might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit . . . ."

    German creationists taught that blacks are "baboons," says Prof. Michael Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar: Imperialism, Revolution, and the Arms Race (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1989), p 84. This paralleled the American creationist view that blacks are "considered children, or subhuman creatures bred for their labor and intended by Divine Providence to live in servitude," p 84.

    The British creationist view held by Sir Winston Churchill is that Afghanistanians are "as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such." See Churchill's book, The Story of the Malakand Field Force: An Episode of Frontier War, p 26 (1898). Note also, the British creationist view of Asians shown by Rudyard Kipling, that they are "half-devil, half-child." See his poem, The White Man's Burden (1899).

    And creationists have a motive: homicidal wars of conquest. "How much easier to play the homicidal conqueror if your victims are but subhuman 'wogs,'   'kaffirs,'   'niggers,'   'chinks,'   'greasers,'   'ragheads,'   'slopes,' and 'gooks.'   Such defamatory terms are the vocabulary of imperialism as well as racism," observes Prof. Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar, supra (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1989), p 85.

    "At the time of the [so-called] Louisiana Purchase [1803], President ]Thomas] Jefferson was quick to justify America's possession of that immense expanse of land by describing it as 'uninhabited,' the Indians being nonpersons," says Prof. Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar, supra (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1989), p 86. See details by Prof. David E. Stannard, American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World (Oxford Univ. Press, 1992), e.g., pp 150, 242, etc.:

    ”For four hundred years—from the first Spanish assaults against the Arawak people of Hispaniola in the 1490s to the U.S. Army's massacre of Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee in the 1890s—the indigenous inhabitants of North and South America endured an unending firestorm of violence. During that time the native population of the Western Hemisphere declined by as many as one hundred million people. Indeed, as historian David E. Stannard argues in this stunning new book, the European and white American destruction of the native peoples of the Americas was the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world. Stannard begins with a portrait of the enormous richness and diversity of life in the Americas prior to Columbus's fateful voyage in 1492. He then follows the path of genocide from the Indies to Mexico and Central and South America, then north to Florida, Virginia, and New England, and finally out across the Great Plains and Southwest to California and the North Pacific Coast.”
    “Stannard reveals that wherever Europeans or white Americans went, the native people were caught between imported plagues and barbarous atrocities, typically resulting in the annihilation of 95 percent of their populations.”
    “What kind of people, he asks, do such horrendous things to others? His highly provocative answer: Christians [so-called]. Digging deeply into ancient European and Christian attitudes toward sex, race, and war, he finds the cultural ground well prepared by the end of the Middle Ages for the centuries-long genocide campaign that Europeans and their descendants launched - and in places continue to wage - against the New World's original inhabitants.”
    “Advancing a thesis that is sure to create much controversy, Stannard contends that the perpetrators of the American Holocaust drew on the same ideological wellspring as did the later architects of the Nazi Holocaust. It is an ideology that remains dangerously alive today, he adds, and one that in recent years has surfaced in American justifications for large-scale military intervention in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. At once sweeping in scope and meticulously detailed, American Holocaust is a work of impassioned scholarship.”

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    Creationist dogma is that God did NOT create as the Bible says, and then "rested on the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2). Creationists deny that God did one creation process, setting the life process in motion with variation-capability enabled. They claim instead that God "continually created new species by fiat over billions of years." Reference "Creation and Evolution" in the February/March 2009 issue of a Church publication Christian Odyssey, page 6. (Some letters followed).

    The bottom line is, creationists claim to get their views from the Bible, but in fact they do not. They reject what the Bible actually says, in favor of their personal biases, prejudices, hatreds, murderous intent, and like emotions. Such were all excommunicated in 1841 as non-Christian.

    Charles Darwin, M.A., LL.D., F.R.S., had a Master's degree in Theology. Darwin thus knew that neither creationism nor slavery were based on the Bible.

    The book Darwin's Sacred Cause (Allen Lane, 2009) by Adrian J. Desmond, Ph.D., and James R. Moore outlines Darwin's anti-slavery motivation and abolitionism behind Darwin's book Origin of Species (1859).

    Creationist dogma contradicts Bible teaching. The Bible teaches the brotherhood of Man, that Eve is the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20), that all are of one blood, genetics, biology, chemistry (Acts 17:26), and that everyone's rights must be respected (Genesis 1:28).

    Darwin had a Master's degree in Theology and set out to prove the accuracy of the Bible and thereby undermine slavery and the vast ultra-atrocities being directed against blacks.

    Darwin fought slavery by intellectual Biblical and scientific means. Abraham Lincoln fought slavery by political, constitutional, and military means. Each had been born the same day, 12 February 1809.

    Each succeeded beyond expectations in aiding black people. Lincoln successfully freed them from slavery. Darwin successfully freed them from the creationist heresy that they are a separate species, not human, but mere "stock," even mere "breeding stock." And for sales to brothels: "A few traders had special rooms for displaying 'choice stock'—pretty quadroons and octoroons who fetched up to $2,500 or more from New Orleans brothel owners."—William C. Davis, ed., The Civil War: Brother Against Brother: The War Begins (Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books, 1983), p 51.

    Creationists were determined to ruin the reputation of both Darwin and Lincoln. They called Lincoln a dictator in rage against his defending the Constitution. They called Darwin anti-Bible, in rage against his defending basic Bible doctrines.

    But Lincoln and Darwin won for black people. Creationists / slavers now conceal their own despicable history, and no longer dare to publicly spout their hate-filled racist dogma against blacks, no longer dare to publicly preach their view that blacks are a separate species. But they do regularly issue diatribes spewing hatred of Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theol.), LL.D., F.R.S.. They denounce Darwin's "errors." But read their materials, you will never find articles denouncing slavery errors, denouncing creationist errors (flat-earthism, Earth immoveable, etc.)

    Creationists are an example of the 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 type (representatives of Satan masquerading as pious). Creationists use Satan's devices 2 Corinthians 2:11, of half-truths, distortions, misrepresentations, out-of-context assertions, disregard of own past bad record, etc.

    Background on Darwin's anti-slavery motivation is cited by the BBC at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7856157.stm. You will not find any creationist citing that!

    The book Darwin's Sacred Cause would be an excellent addition to any Church Library both for its exposing the sorry record of creationists and for its revealing the holy pro-Bible motivation of Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology). But check your church library: do you find this book included? ! :)

    Creationists, slavers, called themselves "Christians"! :)     But they supported adultery, atrocities, axe-murder, Bible-refusing, branding, burning-alive, concubines for clergy, commandment-breaking, degradation, doctrine-changing to aid slavery, extortion, eye-gouging, genocide, kidnaping white women, racism, racking and salting, rape, robbery, skinning, torture, torture-murder, whippings-to-death, etc. See list at Rev. William Goodell's Slavery and Anti-Slavery History (New York: Wm. Harned Pub, 1852), page 27.

    With respect to the the slaver holocaust against blacks as slaves, most (2/3 - 3/4) slaves were killed, 35-45 million or so. "Robert R. Kuczynski, the world-known authority on migration statistics, estimated that a minimum of 15 million slaves landed alive. Because of the brutal treatment on transport and the conditions of crossing, the total number of people of which the African continent was depleted amounted . . . to several times more. Carter G. Woodson [Ph.D., 1875-1950], in 'Negro in Our History,' estimated the total at 50 million, while W. E. B. DuBois, Ph.D., in 'The Negro,' gives the figure of  60 million."—Peter M. Bergman, The Chronological History of the Negro in America [New York: Harper & Row, 1969], p 2. [Legal term: Universal Malice. Slaver concept: hunting animals, stock.]

    The South was filled "with thoroughly demonized spirits," say Wendell and Francis Garrison (sons), William Lloyd Garrison, 1805-1879, Vol IV, p 25.

    Such demon-possesssed or influenced Churchianity "grace" preachers declare all God's commandments "done away," literally "done away," and replaced by politician laws.     See Martin Luther's "Against the Murderous and Thieving Mob of Peasants" (1525), summary of this widespread Protestant doctrine:

    "under the New Testament, Moses [God's Law] does not count; for there stands our Master, Christ, and subjects us, along with our bodies and our property, to the emperor and the law of this world, when he says, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s' [Luke 20:25]” (paragraph 5).

    In short, to Bible Belters, creationists, "grace" types, slavers, slavery apologists and accessories, there is no morality, no moral law, no law except politician law!

    And such anti-moral-law types wholly controlled the South's politicians in the slavery era. The creationist Religious Right Bible Belt pro-slavery mind-set, attitude and determination, to keep slavery, continued through all eras of the U.S. on past the Civil War and beyond. The result was the South's disproportionate control of the nation, in the courts, the civil service, and the military. Abolitionist Senator and Secretary of State William H. Seward "analyzed the civil service of the national government and could descry [identify] not a single person . . . who was 'false to the slave holding interest' [i.e., respected the Bible's anti-slavery doctrines]," say Charles A. and Mary R. Beard, The Rise of American Civilization, II (NY: The Macmillan Co, 1927), p 8.

    "It has come to this, that no law can be passed, no appointment made, no contract given out, but the interest of Slavery must first be consulted," said Rep. Amos P. Granger, "State Sovereignty — The Constitution — Slavery" (17 February 1859), p 8.   "Our Civil Service was becoming a system of political prostitution. Roguery and plunder . . . had steadily crept into the management of public affairs." See Prof. Kenneth M. Stampp, The Era of Reconstruction (NY: Random House, 1965), p 191.

    "By their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:16). The "fruits" of creationism/ists were ultra-evil, as the above data shows. By their satanic monstrous ultra-evil "fruits you shall know them" as what they are, satanists of the the 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 type.

    Note also
  • the creationist slaver "untermenschenist" claim alleging that the U.S. Constitution deemed slaves only three-fifths of white persons
  • the prevalance of that claim such that that creationist slaver "untermenschenist" viewpoint is almost the only one of which most people have ever heard, learned, been taught
  • the censorship from history texts and the media, of the contrary abolitionist position, such that that abolitionist position is almost unknown.

  • For background on the abolitionist higher morals position, see, e.g.,
  • Lysander Spooner, Unconstitutionality of Slavery (Boston: Bela Marsh, 1845, 3rd ed, 1860), pp 73-81 and 242-269
  • Robert Rantoul, Jr., The Fugitive Slave Law (Lynn, MA: 3 April 1851), pp 7-8.
  • BrotherDarwin was a real Christian, not a fake like slavers / creationists. He had a master's degree in theology. He was appalled by the perversions and atrocities committed by so-called "Christians." Contrary to their lying denunciations of him, Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theol.), LL.D., F.R.S., was "acknowledging in the first edition of his book that supernatural assistance from God was necessary to drive biological evolution," says Hugh Ross, Ph.D., Creation and Time (Colorado Springs Reasons to Believe, CO: 1994), p 30.   Darwin's religious purpose in writing included "aiding to overthrow the [evil slaver/creationist] dogma of separate creations [especially of blacks]," said Darwin himself, in his The Descent of Man (1871), p 92.

    Darwin was correct Biblically and scientifically. There was no "separate creation" of blacks as distinct from other colors (white, yellow, etc.) God had "rested on the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2). Creationists were naturally enraged at Darwin's refuting them, at his proving blacks human.

    Darwin knew the Religious Right would attack, denounce, revile, condemn him forever, seek to destroy his reputation forever. But Darwin was willing to sacrifice his reputation for his fellow man. He thereby followed express Bible principles, e.g., "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his brethren," John 15:13. "And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren,” 1 John 3:16. Darwin believed, and did so.

    The guise that slavers used for supporting their atrocities was "creationism." They rejected the Bible which reveals Eve as the "mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20), and that all races are of one blood (Acts 17:26). Creationist dogma denies that one species can become another. Creationist dogma thus denies that Eve (one species, white) could be "mother of all living," i.e., have descendants evolved into another species (black). Creationist dogma rejects Eve as "mother of all living," as supportive of evolution from one species to another, which creationism denies.

    Creationism teaches that each "race" is NOT a race, but instead is a separate species. Creationism teaches that God did not set races in process via Eve, but, instead, that each was separately created as a separate species. Creationists deny that God created as the Bible says, set the process in motion with variation-capability enabled, and then "rested on the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2). They insist that God cannot have "rested," but must have continued working on and on, must have "continually created new species by fiat over billions of years."

    "Adrian Desmond and James Moore restore the missing moral core of Darwin’s evolutionary universe, providing a completely new account of how he came to his shattering theories about human origins.

    "There has always been a mystery surrounding Darwin: How did this quiet, respectable gentleman, a pillar of his parish, come to embrace one of the most radical ideas in the history of human thought? It’s difficult to overstate just what Darwin was risking in publishing his theory of evolution. So it must have been something very powerful—a moral fire, as Desmond and Moore put it—that propelled him. And that moral fire, they argue, was a passionate hatred of slavery.

    "To make their case, they draw on a wealth of fresh manuscripts, unpublished family correspondence, notebooks, diaries, and even ships’ logs. They show how Darwin’s abolitionism had deep roots in his mother’s family and was reinforced by his voyage on the Beagle as well as by events in America—from the rise of scientific racism at Harvard through the dark days of the Civil War.

    "Leading apologists for slavery in Darwin’s time argued that blacks and whites had originated as separate species, with whites created superior. Darwin abhorred such 'arrogance.'   He believed that, far from being separate species, the races belonged to the same human family. Slavery was therefore a "sin," and abolishing it became Darwin’s 'sacred cause.'   His theory of evolution gave all the races—blacks and whites, animals and plants—an ancient common ancestor and freed them from creationist shackles. Evolution meant emancipation.

    "In this rich and illuminating work, Desmond and Moore recover Darwin’s lost humanitarianism. They argue that only by acknowledging Darwin’s Christian abolitionist heritage can we fully understand the development of his groundbreaking ideas. Compulsively readable and utterly persuasive, Darwin’s Sacred Cause will revolutionize our view of the great naturalist."

    By the time that Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theol.), LL.D., F.R.S., came onto the scene, creationism had already been overwhelmingly refuted. See, e.g.,

  • Isaac Asimov, Ph.D., "Look long upon a monkey" (1989) (short history of the subject)
  • Stephen Baxter, Ph.D., Ages in Chaos: James Hutton and the Discovery of Deep Time (Doherty Associates, 2003)
  • Jack Repcheck, M.A., The Man Who Found Time: James Hutton and the Discovery of the Earth's Antiquity (Perseus Pub, 2003)
  • H. Allen Orr, "Annals of Science: Devolution: Why Intelligent Design Isn't," The New Yorker (30 May 2005), pp 40-52
  • The article "Creationism," in vol. 4 of the New Catholic Encyclopedia (Washington DC: Catholic Univ of America, 2003) pp 346-347
  • The article "Creationism," in vol. 4 of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Robert Appleton Co, 1908), reprinted online, 2003, at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04475a.htm.
  • Richard Dawkins, "The Genius of Charles Darwin" (Documentary, August 2008)
  • The primary term for "creationist" is "flat-earther," and during the U.S. Civil War, "Confederate," and thereafter in the U.S., "unreconstructed Southerner," and in Germany under Hitler, "Nazi."
  • The foregoing references show that by the time that Darwin came onto the scene, creationism had already been overwhelmingly refuted, including by real Christians. Educated people, many real Christians, had disproven creationism's infallible doctrines of flat earth, earth immoveable, has only three continents, is only 6,000 years old, etc. (See details).

    Pretty much all that creationists had left by Darwin's time was their infallible dogma that blacks were a separate species, from lower animals.

    In essence, Darwin took creationists at their word about the lower origin!!! but applied this infallible dogma of theirs to whites!! Both have a common ancestor, common "origin of species," lower animals. That application to whites is what enraged creationists about Darwin, his applying their infallible lower-origin-for-blacks dogma, to whites!! Creationists/slavers had never objected to their own infallible lower-origin-for-blacks dogma! :)

    Want to get creationists mad?! Use their own words back at them!! That was the effect of the approach of Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology), LL.D., F.R.S.

    For additional background on how thoroughly creationism had already been refuted by Darwin's time, see our details site. But creationists obstinately stuck to their anti-black separate species dogma. Darwin refuted them and their claims, scientifically, intellectually. Lincoln enforced that refutation militarily.

    Creationists were enraged! their own words used back at them! tossed in their faces! What rage they display in reaction!! They engaged in abusiveness, misconduct and/or crimes including but not limited to the following:

  • denounced Lincoln as a "gorilla"
  • started the Civil War
  • killed, tortured and starved to death large numbers of Union troops
  • murdered Lincoln, and
  • after the Civil War,
  • began the "Second Civil War"
  • set up the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize blacks and prevent that 'separate species' (!) from voting
  • changed the formula for tobacco (which they realized Yankees widely used) to add coumarin for rat poison.
  • set in motion an ongoing, continuing orgy of hate,   loathing,   mayhem,   mass violence,   a crime storm
  • leading in turn, in Germany, to Hitler and "untermenschen" Naziism.
  • For more on creationism's falsities, see our background website. And for more on Darwin vs. slavery, see "Darwin's twin track: 'Evolution and emancipation'" (BBC, 29 January 2009). And re Darwin's legacy, see, e.g., Matthew Ridley, "Darwin's Legacy" (National Geographic, February 2009), on "the triumphant vindication of almost everything Darwin deduced about evolution."

    But you won't learn that from creationists!! and their habitual lying, and campaign of hate against Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theol.), LL.D., F.R.S., in their continuing hatred of him for having debunked their 'separate species' justification of slavery, with blacks the 'separate species'! of course, not themselves!
    As Abraham Lincoln said, "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." And, "although volume upon volume is written to prove slavery is a very good thing, we never hear of the man who wishes to take the good of it, by being a slave himself."
    Note another creationist falsification. While such engage in various types of lies, one basic lie technique that creationists use is the "straw man" fraud approach, knowingly falsely pretending that there are only two alternative creation methods:
  • their "separate species" creation process or
  • atheism.
  • Lacking personal integrity and honesty, creationists thus often pretend that there is no third way, divinely directed evolution, i.e., variation-capability enabled for subsequent impact. They deliberately limit God, restrain God, restrict God, tell God what to do, forbid Him from using a setting-in-motion method that they (infallibly of course) insist could not be so! :)

    Remember the old saying, adapted here: 'How do you know a creationist is lying.' Ans.: 'His lips are moving' :)   lying for a thousand years . . . and continuing!

    For more on debunking / refuting creationist / pro-slavery clergy and their dogmas and behavior, and ramifications thereof, see, e.g.,

  • Rev. James Rankin's Anti-Slavery Letters (1823), especially p 15,
  • Rev. Stephen S. Foster's Thieves: American Clergy (1843)
  • Deacon James G. Birney's Bulwarks (1840),
  • Abraham Lincoln's "Anti-Slavery Speech" (Peoria, 1854), and
  • Senator Charles Sumner's Barabarism of Slavery (1860), p 134
  • Rev. Parker Pillsbury's February 1841 excommunication of creationists.
  • Joel Westbrook, Africa: A History Denied (Richmond, VA: Time Life, 1995) (citing centuries of evidence including that unearthed by British archeologist Gertrude Caton–Thompson (The Zimbabwe Culture, 1931), and Prof. Mark Horton, Shanga: The Archaeology of a Muslim Trading Community on the Coast of East Africa (British Institute in Eastern Africa, Monograph Series 14, 1986) (with Helen W. Brown and Nina Mudida), and The Swahili (Oxford: Blackwell, 2001) (with John Middleton)
  • And see description of creationists in Bible terms.
  • Note that modern creationists, having been caught massively lying and depraved in perversions and debaucheries unlimited,

  • (a) conceal their immoral history of teachings
  • (b) avoid acknowledging their sorry record
  • (c) avoid mention of their dogmas as underlying the "untermenschen" view, e.g., the Ku Klux Klan and Nazism,
  • (d) conceal their heretical status
  • (e) conceal their long since having been excommunicated,
  • (f) instead fake and pretend a holiness, exegesis, and accuracy they have never had, and
  • (g) thereby reveal they lack "the gift of a sound mind" (2 Timothy 1:7), a major Christian trait, the absence of which denotes and confirms one as a heathen (pretending to be Christian).
  • Such clergy are an example of the type of people who enter or “stay in it [the ministry] . . . to destroy it [the church]!” says Sinclair Lewis, Elmer Gantry (1927), Chapter VIII, Section II, p 122.

    See also background on the Cold-Hearted U.S. Clergy:   Demonized,   Lust-Filled,   Heathen,   Unconverted,   Atheists,   The Worst Clergy in History,   Proslavery Accessories of Devils.   As John Greenleaf Whittier says, "their very names shall be Vile before all the people."

    "By their fruits ye shall know them (creationists)" (Matthew 7:16), as the above list depicts so well. Hence Lincoln correctly gave no credit to so-called "Christians" for ending slavery. They had fought FOR it, as he well knew. In contrast: "The logic and moral power of Garrison and the Anti-slavery people . . . And the army [not the U.S. 'religious right' clergy and churches] have done it all," freed the slaves. See Truman Nelson (History Writer), Documents of Upheaval: Selections from William Lloyd Garrison's THE LIBERATOR, 1831-1865 (NY: Hill and Wang, 1966), xvii.

    Instead of Christians being anti-slavery leaders, note what had happened instead: “Southern clergymen [the creationist "religious right"] were mainly responsible for prolonging the [South's] futile struggles [in the Civil War that] contributed to the million casualties and 600,000 dead,” says Paul Johnson, A History of Christianity (New York: Atheneum, 1987), Part 7, p 438.

    Such creationists, Bible Belters, Confederates, Religious Righters, pass their hatred on down, generation after generation. See, e.g.,

  • the long-term pattern of manipulation passed on generation after generation by pre-Confederates, “Willie Lynch Manipulation Speech” (1712)
  • "Much more mayhem developed before [one] chapter of the Second Civil War ran its course. Writing . . . in July of 1869, Lt. William Hoffman may have given the best analysis of the turmoil, an analysis that is still thought provoking for those who study the Reconstruction era today. Hoffman said that the Southern rebels' hatred for the white loyalists and for the freedmen was such that it could never be overcome. The freedmen's situation was deplorable, he said, as he echoed the sentiments of all those who had seen blacks robbed or beaten, raped or murdered. White Union civilians were similarly persecuted, with some of their number also being killed. Even worse, Lieutenant Hoffman surmised that the [Confederate] hatred would be passed from one generation to the next: 'The coming generation, children and children's children[,] are zealously reared to the one great tenet: implacable hatred to the [Union] government.' The subsequent history of the South suggests that young Hoffman knew of what he spoke," say Prof. James M. Smallwood, Barry A. Crouch, and Larry Peacock, Murder and Mayhem: The War of Reconstruction in Texas (College Station: Texas A&M Univ Press, 2003), p 116.
  • Southerners, the Religious Right, Bible-Belters, creationists, had already shown ability to carry on evil for centuries, passing it on to descendants for generations, says George Mellen, Unconstitutionality of Slavery (Boston: Saxton & Pierce, 1841), p 29.

    You've not known what hatred is, until you've been hated by Religious Righters, creationists, Bible Belters, Confederates. Their hatred lasts and lasts, will "never be overcome." They pass it on, generation after generation, hating Charles Darwin for refuting them, hating Abraham Lincoln and the Yankees for defeating them.

    At “the time of the Dayton evolution trial [1925] . . . the brisker conservative clergymen saw that their influence and oratory and incomes were threatened by any authentic learning. A few of them were so intelligent as to know that not only was biology dangerous to their positions, but also history—which gave no very sanctified reputation to the Christian church; astronomy—which found no convenient Heaven in the skies and snickered politely at the notion of making the sun stand still in order to win a Jewish border skirmish; psychology—which doubted the superiority of a Baptist preacher fresh from the farm to trained laboratory researchers; and all the other sciences of the modern university. They saw [felt] that a proper school should [be dumbed down to] teach nothing but bookkeeping, agriculture, geometry. . . . This perception the clergy [called 'fundamentalists'] and their most admired laymen expressed in quick [dumbing-down] action. They organized half a dozen competent and well-financed organizations to threaten rustic state legislators with political failure and bribe them with unctuous clerical praise, so that these back-street and backwoods Solons would [legislate dumbing-down into law, i.e.,] forbid the teaching in all state-supported schools and colleges of anything which was not approved by the evangelists,” says Sinclair Lewis, Elmer Gantry (1927), Chapter XXIX, Section 9, paragraphs 1-2, p 374-375.
    "When Clarence Darrow said at Scope's [evolution teaching] trial [1925] that 'every child ought to be more intelligent than his parents,' he was raising the specter that haunted the fundamentalists most," says Prof. Richard Hofstadter, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1962-4), p 127. "This was precisely what they did not want . . . ."
    The anti-education views of creationists, their demand that the schools be dumbed down, in short, derives from the fact that educated people don't believe their anointed holy infallible drivel! So creationists (as an integral part of the Religious Right/Big Business alliance against education) are part of the dumbing down of America.
    "Many people who claim to be Christians are phonies because they [reject the Bible Society Management Laws, e.g., they] have no compassion for the homeless, the dispossessed, and the poor [e.g., slaves] . . . . phony Christians are the reason why so many unbelievers want nothing to do with the person and work of Jesus Christ.”—Rev. S. R. Shearer, 1 November 2011.

    And "white preachers can lie every week from their pulpits without so much as having to worry that their lies might be noticed by the shiny white faces in their pews," says Tim Wise, in "Of National Lies and Racial Amnesia" (18 March 2008). Yes, "white preachers lie. In fact, they lie with a skill, fluidity, and precision unparalleled in the history of either preaching or lying, both of which histories stretch back a ways and have often overlapped. They lie every Sunday. . . ."

    Test your local "creationist." Ask him/her to explain Psalm 93:1 and Psalm 96:10 (words to the effect that "the world is established so that it cannot be moved").   They dare not admit their holy, infallible anointed flat-earther viewpoint, their view that the earth neither revolves nor rotates nor travels though space, but is the immoveable center of the universe!   So notice, they'll fast change the subject, insist that you tell them your analysis! And they never answer your question!   Being unconverted, uncalled, John 6:44, rejecting the Bible in reality notwithstanding their pretense otherwise, they have "no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20), they have NO answer! They don't know one!

    Or try another test on your local "creationist." Suggest that their holy, infallible, anointed 6,000 year age doctrine could be wrong, has indeed long ago been refuted by science, as documented by, e.g.,

  • Stephen Baxter, Ph.D., Ages in Chaos: James Hutton and the Discovery of Deep Time (Doherty Associates, 2003)
  • Jack Repcheck, M.A., The Man Who Found Time: James Hutton and the Discovery of the Earth's Antiquity (Perseus Pub, 2003)
  • and many others.
  • Suggest they not just read their self-absorbed one-sided propaganda pieces their deceiver leaders spew. Suggest they read "the other side." Watch the hysterical reaction! They are holy, infallible, anointed, so "know it all" without having to do that! You, read Proverbs 18:13, words to the effect that "the fool answers a matter before he hears it"! Then you'll better comprehend 2 Timothy 1:7 on "the gift of a sound mind" which your experiment reveals such are lacking.

    Re their lacking "the gift of a sound mind," note standard psychiatric data, the “special [warped] laws of logic that the schizophrenic uses in support of his complexes or ideas, which to us seem delusional. . . . keep in mind that” what “seems absurd to us is expressed . . . by the patient . . . To him, his idea is rational, unquestionable, based on an absolute conviction of its truth. His unconscious motivation, a desire that cannot be controlled . . . obliges the patient to use unusual ways of thinking,” p. 65, Understanding and Helping the Schizophrenic (New York: Basic Books, 1979), by Dr. Silvano Arieti. At 46, “The patient does not attempt to demonstrate the validity of his ideas. He 'knows'; that is enough. His knowledge comes from an inner, unchallenged certitude that does not require demonstration. 'He knows.'”
    At 24, “To date, it has not been demonstrated that the schizophrenic can be taught or coerced or convinced not to have these thoughts,” says Schizophrenia: Symptoms, Causes, Treatments (New York: Norton, 1979), by Kayla Bernheim, Ph.D., and Richard Lewine, Ph.D.
    They have "no light in them," Isaiah 8:20, like "the fool [who] answers a matter before he hears it"! Proverbs 18:13, thus confirming their lack of "the gift of a sound mind," 2 Timothy 1:7.

    Bottom line: Creationists do NOT get their views from the Bible, and when pressed, they cannot even explain basic, simple Bible verses and references on which they absolutely, vehemently, fanatically, violently used to claim anointed infallibility!! and would murder you (Galileo, Copernicus, whomever) for disagreeing! Now they can't even answer a simple question! Ask, watch, verify! (And see Galileo's analysis of such people [Full Text], especially as how the same concept applies to attackers and haters of Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology), LL.D., F.R.S.). Creationists still refuse to admit errors! as their 2010 Creationist Conference Flyer shows!

    So it is easier to understand how Charles Darwin, M.A. (Theology), LL.D., F.R.S., called creationists' bluff; and since creationists cannot refute him, they can only resort to vitriol, hatred, lying, ridicule, and put downs!

    After the Civil War, such people ("unreconstructed Confederates" / creationists) determined to

  • (a) obstruct blacks from voting, and
  • (b) poison Yankees in revenge against the North.
    Both said policies, creationist-in-origin, continue to present.
  • For background on rational non-creationist people's worldview as it changed over a period of time, see, e.g., James Burke, M.A., The Day That Changed the Universe (1985), and the PBS series, e.g, Part 1,   Part 2,   Part 3,   Part 4,   Part 5 (1986).

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