of TACOM Misconduct/Crime (Which TACOM Feared/Refused to Provide for the MESC Hearing But Re Which It Had 'Fixed' With The Notoriously Corrupt MSPB) Which Will Be Presented to EEOC Once Review Begins in the EEOC Forum As Done For Others Note that Pursuant to TACOM's Standard Witness Tampering Policy and Practice, TACOM Witnesses Had Been Coached To All Take the TACOM Party Line— Studies Were Done Showing All is Well!—But Cross-Examination Exposes The "Studies" As Not Done Pursuant to the Army's Own AR 1-8 Criteria TACOM Witnesses Holding Themselves Out As Supposed Experts Were Blatantly Disregarding
Note that TACOM witnesses focused on trying to refute the Pletten-acquired USACARA Report, enraged at Pletten's having won it, against their "personal habits," so fixated on proving anew that TACOM's way was right, Pletten's (USACARA-verified as per medical fact) was wrong Note that TACOM claimed "removal" (a disciplinary action) and, contradictorily, "Medical Disqualification" of the Whistleblower, with respect to Tobacco Smoke. Look for evidence that TACOM presented evidence for either allegation:
Look for such evidence! You'' find none! Having and citing no evidence for the accusation, and using non-existent or invalid personnel qualification requirements, are examples of classic discrimination. |
Background on Military Officers
"'You say his military career is a result of his [mental] disturbance?' 'Most military careeers are,'" says Herman Wouk, The Caine Mutiny: A Novel of World War II (Garden City: Doubleday & Co, Inc., 1951), chapter 35, p 416. Examples include officers as "harsh, ill-tempered, nasty, oppressive, and often showed bad judgment," p 409. "They're as cunning as acrobats at treading that fine line between being a bastard and being a lunatic," p 269.
The material on "the deposed captain [Queeg] was contrived from a study of psychoneurotic case histories. . . . The author [Wouk] served under two captains of the regular Navy in three years aboard destroyer-minesweepers. . . ." References Note that "the use of cigarettes . . . produces what might be termed [psychopathy aka abulia aka anomie] . . . a condition in which lying, thieving, and murder become as natural as eating and drinking . . . ."—Bernarr MacFadden, The Truth about Tobacco (New York: Physical Culture Corp, 1924), pp 87 and 77, respectively, describing the psychopath (“predator”) concept, as per smoker deviance/licentiousness. Note also the use of jargon (e.g., "Ringaman test") attempting to obfuscate, confuse, distract, divert attention off the violations of AR 1-8, etc. This violates advice even for dealing with children, see Robert D. Ramsey, Ed. D., 501 Ways to Boost Your Child's Success in School, (Contemporary Books, 2000), § 175, p 80, “Insist on plain talk . . . . Only insecure professionals hide begin jargon.” |
3 Averhart*
2 Benacquista*
| 5 Bertram
| 7 Braun
| 9 Dollberg
| 14 Dubin
| 16 Holt*
| 10 Hoover*
| 1 Kator
| 4 Lang*
| 6 O'Connor*
| 8 Peters
| 12 Pletten
| 11 Shirock*
| 15 Schwartz
| 13 Stallings*
| |
*Smokers / Persons With Typical Symptoms of
Tobacco Addiction, Mental Disorder, Brain Damage] |
Chronological
1 Kator FR 4/23 11:47 am | 2 Benacquista* FR 4/23 12:48 pm
3 Averhart* FR 4/23 2:44 pm
| 4 Lang* MO 4/26/ 8:20 am
| 5 Bertram MO 4/26 9:45 am
| 6 O'Connor* MO 4/26 11:30
| 7 Braun MO 4/26 11:55 am
| 8 Peters MO 4/26 2:00 pm
| 9 Dollberg MO 4/26 3:20 pm
| 10 Hoover* WE 4/28 9:00 am
| 11 Shirock* WE 4/28 12:15 pm
| 12 Pletten WE 5/19 1:10 pm
| 13 Stallings* WE 5/19 3:45 pm
| 14 Dubin TH 5/20 10:30 am
| 15 Schwartz FR 5/20 4:45 pm
| 16 Holt* FR 5/20 5:45 pm
| |
Testimony would foreseeably, and did, show multiple reversible errors TACOM had made in punishing Pletten for blowing the whistle on its unlawful use of ventilation data to contradict the massive medical evidence, the rule of law, and the AR 1-8 criteria. It would foreseeably show TACOM deciding to terminate him (without 5 USC § 7513.(b) advance notice) simultaneously with the 15 Feb 1980 claim of pretended compliance with the USACARA Report Pletten had won overruling TACOM.
Local EEOC official Henry Perez, Jr., had been processing Pletten's class action on behalf of endangered co-workers, and so observed the firing in mid-case! Numerous violations were found, which include:
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5 MR. COHEN: Mr. Kator, my name is Steven
8 Pursuant to an agreement between the Agency
14 The testimony you give here, even with
18 THE WITNESS: Yes. 19 MR. COHEN: If I ask you a question you
22 I believe that is a concise statement of
24 MS. BACON: Yes. 25 MR. COHEN: I believe it is your witness 1 A first. 2 MS. BACON: Yes, it is.
6 The Agency calls Jeremiah H. Kator as
12 BY MS. BACON: 13 Q Mr. Kator, what is your present position? 14 A I am a Position Classification Specialist with the Army
16 Q What was your position prior to your taking your present
18 I was Chief of Position and Pay Management Branch in the
21 Q Can you remember the approximate dates that you occupied
23 A I arrived at TARCOM in February, 1978, and my transfer
25 Q Were you in the position of Chief of Position and Pay (pp 5-10) (pp 12-15)
(pp 23-29) (pp 31-35)
(pp 41-43) (pp 47-48) 1 directive to me to solve the problem. 2 Q In your discussions with Mr. Pletten about compliance in
5 A I don't recall any instance where he was abusive to me,
7 Q How would you classify Mr. Pletten's actions; those of
9 A His actions with regard to what? 10 Q His own behalf. His dealings with you. 11 How did he present himself? 12 Let's ask it this way. Was he a good
14 Technically, yes. Absolutely. 15 Q Nontechnically, generally, was he a good employee? 16 A Well, that covers a wide span. I would say that
19 Q That implies you had difficulties with other areas.
22 Obviously there was this problem if you wish to define it
24 Q I don't. But let's assume that you do.
2 Q With who? 3 A With Mr. Pletten, with Mr. Hoover, and, I don't recall,
5 Q Did the term smoke free originate with Dr. Holt to your
7 A As I recall it may well have, yes. 8 Q In other words it may not have been Mr. Pletten, it may
10 A May have been. 11 MR. COHEN: We can ask Dr. Holt. 12 MS. BACON: Yes. 13 MR. COHEN: I don't have any further
15 Your witness. 16 MS. BACON: I don't have any further
18 I realize you are pressed for time and I
20 MR. COHEN: Neither would I and I would like
23 24 25
[Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
2. Deposition of Col. John J. Benacquista,
TACOM Chief-of-Staff
(Smoker; Exortion to Get Pletten to Cease
and Desist Whistleblowing on TACOM Violations,
MI Symptoms Noted As Evident)
9 BY MS. BACON: 10 Q Colonel Benacquista, what is your position at the
12 A At the present time I am Deputy Commander of the Army
14 Q What was your position prior to the one you presently hold? 15 A Prior to that I was at the Tank-Automotive Command;
22 Q What were your responsibilities as Chief of Staff? 23 A The Chief of Staff is responsible to the Commanding
(pp 6-11)
1 Q Did you read any of the letters from Mr. Pletten's
3 A Some I guess. I don't know if I saw—yes, I saw some
7 Q Did you ever see a doctor's letter that stated that
9 A I couldn't say here that those specific words were used,
11 Q Is it possible that semantically the letters—I mean,
17 A No. 18 Q Why not? 19 Q I did not. 20 Q Did any of your staff? 21 A That was a matter really between Mr. Pletten and his
23 Q But you [layman Benacquista] had made a determination that the doctors had
25 A I had made that determination. I think that if you go
(pp 14-23)
I looked at closely—and I haven't looked at them for a
Q 6 So you did see some of the doctors' statements? A 7 Yes. 8 Q What? 9 A Those letters which were provided. And the ones I saw
11 Q Did you seek guidance from Dr. Holt? 12 A We did. 13 Q So the difference between Army Regulation 1-8 and that
15 A Yes, I think so. I believe that the terminology
18 Q And did you seek guidance from higher headquarters with
A 20 I did not. Not specifically, no. 21 Q You mentioned that you discussed it with [Major] General [Oscar] Decker.
24 A When you said higher authority I thought you meant
1 Q No, that's true. No, I did, and you answered it 2 correctly I am sure. 3 Q The question is what was your relationship
5 A This was discussed on a regular basis several times in
10 Q And did he follow along with this as it was going on? 11 A Yes.
12 Q Did he have you issue a directive for the entire Command
14 A I don't believe so. 15 Q Did you ever issue a directive to the Command? 16 A A directive signed by me? 17 Q Or by anybody from the Command group? 18 Not to my knowledge, no. 19 Why not? 20 I didn't think it was necessary.
24 Q Doesn't AR 1-8 require that you look at your Command with
(pp 26-31)
(pp 33-46) 1 be a medical man and therefore would not be qualified— 2 MR. COHEN: Col. Benacquista is being
7 MS. BACON: That's correct. 8 MR. COHEN: The question of medical is
13 But, I am asking him if he has a common
18 Q (By Mr. Cohen) Colonel? 19 A First of all, I looked at them and there is better than
23 And as I recall, the sequence leading up to,
25 MS. BACON: I would—
(pp 48-61) 1 Q You said something to the effect that you
Q 5 Can you repeat what you said in that nature? 6 A If we are going to get into that I would like to go back
8 Q Well, I'm not sure we can do that.
11 Q We were talking previously about why you
15 Q Why wouldn't you do that? 16 A His contention was that that was a hazard and that he
18 A We had acknowledged and transmitted a
21 Why would I want to go around and tell
(pp 63-71)
(pp 74-78)
1 A If I used that word [suspension, p 47] it was just a mixup of words because
6 MR. COHEN: I have nothing further. 7 MS. BACON: I have nothing further either. 8 MR. COHEN: Colonel, thank you. [Benacquista deposition concluded] 9 * * * * 2:31 p.m. [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
3. Deposition of Carma J. Averhart, TACOM Co-worker
9 BY MS. BACON:
10 Q Ms. Averhart, what is your position?
11 A I am presently Chief of Position and Pay Management
13 Q How long have you held that position?
14 A For almost two years. Since July of 1980.
15 Q What was your position prior to the present one you hold?
16 A Before that I was a Position Classification Specialist
18 Q When did you first take that job?
19 A I believe it was 1976. I came here in 1975. I had
21 Q Are you familiar with the appellant in this case,
23 A Yes.
24 Q How did you make Mr. Pletten's acquaintance?
25 A Well, we both worked in civilian personnel when I first
3 Q (By Ms. Bacon) Tab 8 of the Agency's response. I ask you
5 A Yes. This was the notification we received from the
7 Q To the best of your recollection, when did you receive that?
8 A I believe it was in October [1981].
9 Q What action did you take upon being notified that the
12 A I discussed it with [anti-USACARA] Mr. Hoover and decided to remove
14 Q I ask if you can identify this document?
15 A Yes, I prepared that.
16 MS. BACON: I move for the submission as Agency
19 MR. COHEN: No objection.
20 (Agency Exhibit No. 17 marked
22 Q (By Ms. Bacon) I think you have already testified to
1 A Well, I don't believe the question was what can we
4 Q Well, how do you define reasonable accommodation?
5 A I haven't really thought about defining reasonable
7 Q Do you know when that is used, when that term is used?
8 A I've heard the term.
9 Q Have you heard the term used in conjunction with
11 A Yes.
12 Q Did you consider Mr. Pletten handicapped?
13 A I don't know. I don't really think of it in that sense.
16 Q Were you aware that Mr. Pletten had made claims that he
18 A Yes.
19 Q And you still didn't think of it in those terms?
20 A You asked me if I thought of him as handicapped.
21 Q Yes.
22 A And I said that when I think of him I don't think,
25 Q Even in view of his protestations that he is handicapped,
2 A I'm not saying I don't think he is handicapped. You
5 Q The statements within the record indicate that—and
14 First of all, did you read that report?
15 A I could have, I don't know. I'm not sure which report
17 Q Look at Tab 3 because that report is contained in Tab 3.
20 A Yes, I've seen it.
21 Q And if you will note the recommendations. Have you seen
23 A Yes. I've seen them.
24 Q And you will note at "B" that it says that the Commander
3 A Yes.
4 Q And in view of Dr. Dubin's letter of January 20, 1981,
6 A Well, they both used the word "reasonably."
7 Q That's right. And they both used contamination, didn't
9 A I don't remember about contamination.
10 Q My question then I guess, if you are familiar with this
14 A I don't know.
15 Q Who would know?
16 A Mrs. Bertram.
17 Q Mrs. Bertram?
18 A Yes.
19 Q Well. I will get to her on Monday.
20 Did Mr. Pletten leave anything behind him
22 A I don't know.
23 Q Personal papers or a calender pad or any property from
25 A I don't know. If he did, he didn't let me know that he
1 Q Do people ever recover from this
3 A I don't know. You'd have to ask them.
4 Q I mean, if somebody doesn't like cigarette smoke it's generally
7 A I don't know.
8 Q Can an environment be changed with regard to -- strike
10 MR. COHEN: I have nothing further.
11 MS. BACON: Shall we close the record
13 MR. COHEN: Yes. [Deposition concluded]
14 * * * * 4:40 p.m.
(Smoker; Offered Promotion to
Aid and Abet Pletten's Firing;
MI Symptoms Noted As Evident)
1 Southfield, Michigan
2 Friday, April 23, 1982
3 2:44 p.m. 4
5
6 7
8
12 Branch.
17 in the same branch.
20 another job in personnel for about nine months.
22 Mr. Pletten?
1 came here, in different branches. Eventually we ended
2 up in the same branch.
3 Q In your position as Chief of the Position and Pay
4 Management Office was he one of your employees then?
5 Q Yes.
6 Q Are you familiar with his sensitivity and objection to
7 tobacco smoke?
8 A Yes.
9 Q How did you first become aware of his objections to
10 tobacco smoke?
11 A Well, I believe it was about 1979. Mr. Kator was the
12 Chief at that time and he notified the people in the
13 branch that Leroy was sensitive to tabocco smoke and
14 that we should not smoke in his presence.
15 Q You said you had worked there since 1976. Prior to
16 Mr. Kator informing you of his sensitivity -- prior to
17 that 1979 time -- had he ever indicated to you his
18 sensitivity to it?
19 A Not that I can remember.
20 Q Was Mr. Kator's direction followed to the best of your
21 knowledge?
22 A As far as I know, yes.
23 Q The case file at Tab 7 reflects that a letter was sent
24 dated 27 November 1981 — proposing Mr. Pletten's
25 separation for medical disqualification.
1 Q Do you recall sending Mr. Pletten that
2 letter?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Can you give us some background of the events which led
5 up to the drafting and signing of that letter?
6 A Well, we had been notified by Office of Personnel
7 Management that our application for Mr. Pletten's
8 disability retirement had been disapproved.
9 So, therefore, this letter was sent out.
10 Q What prompted your filing a disability retirement
11 application on his behalf?
12 A Well, Mr. Pletten had been on extended sick leave and
13 there didn't seem to be any likelihood that he would be
14 returning to work.
Ed. Note:
Involuntary leave, as per Col. Benacqusita (Tr. at 13) extortion to force Pletten to retract his request for compliance with AR 1-8 (Tr. at 62).
USACARA had rejected TACOM's non-compliance with the AR 1-8 criteria. Benacquista wanted to force Pletten to not seek implementation.
Note fixation on the whistleblower, not on the rules' intent of protecting the entire work force from smoking.
Note the rehearsed perjury, pretending legitimate 'sick leave.'
As per the Bevan precedent, Pletten repeatedly returned to duty, but was turned away.
1 2
3
4 5
6 MR. COHEN: No objection.
7 Q (By Ms. Bacon) Did Mr. Pletten on any other occasion
8 attempt to return to work?
9 A Yes, he did.
10 Q I ask if you can identify this document?
11 A Yes, I prepared this also.
12 13 submission of a memorandum for the record, dated
14 29 January 1981, as Agency Exhibit 9.
15 16
17 18 of the document to the extent that it states as to
17 what Mrs. Jones informed her as being hearsay.
21 MS. BACON: Objection noted.
21 Q (By Ms. Bacon) Did you contact the dispensary after you
21 told Mr. Pletten to report there to be cleared for duty?
23 A Yes, I did. And I was advised that he had —
24
25
(pp 8-16)1 (Off the record.)
2 (Back on the record.)
4 if you can identify that document?
6 Office of Personnel Management.
Ed. Note: An ex parte communication NOT provided Pletten PREVIOUSLY, or even then, thus confirming preventing opportunity to reply PRIOR to the removal decision, a fact to be presented to EEOC once EEOC review occurs as allowed by TACOM for others.
10 OPM action or that OPM in fact had disapproved the
11 Agency-filed disability application?
13 Mr. Pletten for a medical disability.
Ed. Note: An ex parte communication NOT provided Pletten PREVIOUSLY, or even then, thus confirming preventing opportunity to reply PRIOR to the removal decision, a fact to be presented to EEOC once EEOC review occurs as allowed by TACOM for others.
Note that the removal decision was made PRIOR to notice to Pletten, establishing violation of the 5 USC 7513.(b) 30 days ADVANCE notice requirement for charges, so as to allow the employee opportunity to reply PRIOR to decision being made.
Note further that REMOVAL is for employee misconduct, of which none was charged against Pletten.
Both were smokers, biased, thus unconcerned with the violations, doubly so, having secured advance MSPB approval for all violations.
Note that OPM continued opposing TACOM's bizarre and hostile reaction to OPM's support of Pletten's position, affirming ability to work at award-winning quality level, better than colleagues.
See examples of continuing Briefs by Pletten applying for OPM action in support of directing Pletten's reinstatement [pursuant to FPM Supp 752-1, §S1-6c(4)(d)], and documenting the record with Pletten's position, to be provided EEOC once review of the removal would begin:
17 Exhibit 17, a DF entitled "Request for Separation Due to
18 Medical Disqualification," signed by Carma J. Averhart.
21 for identification.)
Ed. Note: An ex parte communication NOT provided Pletten PREVIOUSLY, or even then, thus confirming preventing opportunity to reply PRIOR to the removal decision, a fact to be presented to EEOC once EEOC review occurs as allowed by TACOM for others.
23 this before but I would like to go through it again.
24 Why did you go through the disability
25 retirement application?
(pp 18-24)Ed. Note: Looking for (1) materials not provided, denying the right to know evidence being used, obstructing defense; and (2) ex parte contacts evidence.
23 24
25
(pp 26-29)Ed. Note: We see here that Col. Benacquista's extortion, Tr. at 62 (trying to extort from Pletten a withdrawal of his request for compliance with
AR 1-8 criteria, and the USACARA Report), took priority over mission accomplishment.
23 Q You always need people? I mean, when you say "continually"
24 I --
25 A At that time we were more critically understaffed than at
1 any other time since I have been there, okay? So I
2 am continually asking for more people.
3 A When Mr. Pletten left [per said extortion] it was a significant
4 loss.
5 Q Mr. Pletten had been gone for a long period of time by
6 this time, hadn't he?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Let me understand. If Mr. Pletten were to be severed
9 from the Service and you were to be successful in this
10 action against him, would that promote your getting
11 another person into that position?
12 A If Mr. Pletten was not in a space, right. Then I could
13 hire someone else to take his place.
14 Q Am I to understand -- and maybe I am getting this wrong.
15 Am I to understand that the main thrust and reason this
16 is being done is to free up a space so you could hire
17 somebody?
18 A No. That is not the main thrust.
19 Q Why isn't it? It seems like it.
20 A The main thrust for me is to get my job done.
21 22 to work and I don't understand the rationale for having
23 someone on the rolls who does not appear to be ever be
24 coming back.
Ed. Note: As per his refusal to withdraw his rule compliance request, nor agree to alter anticipated testimony.
See background on the forced leave, as per Col. Benacqusita (Tr. at 13) extortion to force Pletten to retract his request for compliance with AR 1-8 (Tr. at 62).
The extortion had priority over mission accomplishment, whistleblowing is that much hated in the civil service.
25 Q Well, what does being on the rolls cost the government?
1 A I don't know.
2 Q Does it cost them anything to your knowledge?
3 A I don't know what it cost the government.
4 Q Were they paying Mr. Pletten?
5 A Mr. Pletten was in a sick leave status so he was entitled
6 to use all of his sick leave.
Ed. Note: Actually, Pletten's leave was being embezzled as per Col. Benacquista's extortion [Tr. at 62] so pervasive herein.
7 Q And did you check to see if he had used all of his sick
8 leave? [Ed. Note: meaning, 'Was it all embezzled?']
9 A Yes.
10 Q Had he?
11 A He finally used it all by -- I am not sure of the date --
12 December of 1980 or somewhere around there.
13 Q December of 1980 and here we are in 1982; are we not?
14 A Yes, we are.
15 Q Okay. And it was an extended period of time between the
16 time he no longer had sick leave until the time you
17 started the administrative actions, wasn't it?
18 A I don't know which administrative action you mean.
19 Q Well, let's talk about the application for disability
20 retirement. When was that made?
21 A I can't remember all the dates.
22 Q Well, let's see.
23 A April of 1981.
24 Q April of 1981. It's almost a year ago, isn't it?
25 A Yes.
1 Q So it has been a year ago that you applied for the
2 disability retirement for Mr. Pletten. I mean. I don't
3 understand why it took that long a period of time.
4 5 Ms. Averhart?
6 A I guess not.
7 Q All right. You knew for a year that he was not getting
8 sick leave -- excuse me. You knew since December of
9 1980 until April of 1981 that he was not getting any sick
10 leave, correct?
11 A Yes.
12 Q Was he receiving any other remuneration from the Federal
13 Government at that point?
14 A I don't know.
15 Q Did you check?
16 A I don't know what other remuneration he might be entitled
17 to. He was out of sick leave and he was out of his
18 annual leave. And those are the only two things that I
19 would really be able to find out about.
Ed. Note: The idea of stopping the extortion, and restoring his pay status did not even occur to this hardened criminal.
20 Q Did the Pay Office tell you that he was receiving anything?
21 22 ask it this way. Did you ask Ed Hoover if he was getting
23 any moneys at all from the government?
24 A I don't know what other moneys you are talking about. I
25 think he is entitled to sick leave and annual leave. And
1 he used those.
2 Q And you testified that he had used all those.
3 A That's right.
4 Q Does that get replenished?
5 A No, it does not.
6 Q All right. Then he had used up all his entitlements?
7 A The ones that I was aware of, yes.
8 Q Did you ask if there was anything else he was getting?
9 A No.
10 Q No, you didn't. Can we presume that Mr. Pletten was
11 receiving not dime one from the Federal Government, from
12 what you just testified?
13 A I don't know what Mr. Pletten was receiving.
14 Q But based on your investigation you didn't think he was
15 getting anything?
16 A I wasn't investigating to see what kind of money
17 Mr. Pletten was getting.
18 Q You obviously went to the point where you knew whether
19 he had annual leave or sick leave.
20 A That's right, because I am responsible for managing that
21 for the employees in my branch. And if an employee is
22 on extensive leave I should know about that. I should
23 know how their leave balances are.
24 Q And all this being the case, if he wasn't costing the
25 Government anything by just being on the rolls, would
1 his being on the rolls have been the sole preventative
2 for your getting another person into his position?
3 A No.
4 Q Could you have gotten an additional person in your branch
5 even with Mr. Pletten on the rolls?
6 A Possibly.
7 Q Possibly. You seem hesitant.
8 9 definite?
10 A Well, I just can't remember all the details about when
11 things happened.
12 13 have justified it by Mr. Pletten's not being there, okay?
14 Q All right. Did you attempt to do so?
15 A Yes.
16 Q Do you have documents to support that?
17 A Probably not.
18 Q Did you write something to somebody saying. "I've got this
19 guy who is out forever [re extortion] and I need somebody"?
20 A No.
21 Q Why not?
22 A I just didn't.
23 Q You just didn't. Did you discuss it with Mr. Hoover?
24 A Yes. I discuss my staffing problems with Mr. Hoover.
25 Q And what did Mr. Hoover say?
(pp 36-38)
(pp 40-41)
1 A Of smoke?
2 Q Cigarette smoke and the contents of cigarette smoke?
3 A The only definition I am aware of is what I would
4 consider an ordinary definition of cigarette smoke.
5 Q All right?
6 A When you smoke a cigarette it produces smoke.
7 But you didn't go into the details of any toxic nature
8 of the smoke?
9 A No. [Ed. Note: Blatantly disregarding the rules and criteria.]
10 Q Did you seek guidance from the medical staff with regard
11 to cigarette smoking?
12 A I don't know what kind of guidance you mean.
13 Q Did you ask them for information about cigarette smoking
14 and its effect on employees?
15 A No.
16 Q Did you take a poll or a survey of your employees to
17 determine if cigarette smoking bothered them [as per AR 1-8 criteria]?
18 A No.
19 Q Do you yourself smoke?
20 A Occasionally.
21 Q Occasionally. How long have you smoked for?
22 MS. BACON: Objection for the record as
23 irrelevant. Go ahead.
24 THE WITNESS: Oh, I don't know. Off and
25 on for a couple of years; three years, four years. I
1 don't know. I smoke very seldom.
2 Q If it bothers somebody I take it you put it out?
3 A Normally I would ask someone before I smoked if it would
4 bother them.
5 Q And if it did bother them what would you do?
6 A I wouldn't smoke.
Ed. Note: Raises issue of such reaction being done for all, as per AR 1-8 criteria.
7 Q Did you have the power in your branch, the authority as
8 the Chief, to ban smoking in the branch?
9 A That would normally not be a branch level decision.
10 Q I had testimony from Mr. Kator, your predecessor, who
11 indicates [Tr. at 53] that he had such power. Do you still agree
12 with that?
13 A He could have had such power. But at the time I became
14 Chief, Leroy's cases had started and, at that time, I
15 would not have made a branch level decision like that.
16 Q Do you have the power now to ban smoking now that
17 Mr. Pletten is removed?
18 A I really don't know. I haven't thought about it in terms
19 of a power.
Ed. Note: As per adherence to Col. Benacquista's extortion. This shows that the USACARA Report data was not even being considered; and the ultra-depravity and corruption of MSPB officials, habitual criminals, re their criminally false pretense that my position WAS considered!
20 Q Do you have any objections to banning smoking in the
21 branch?
22 A I don't have any reason to ban smoking in the branch
23 right now.
24 Q Presuming Mr. Pletten were reinstated, would you have any
25 problems banning smoking in the branch?
(pp 44-47)
1 A I told him to get a doctor's statement.
2 Q Now that you had a clearer understanding that there was
3 other information why didn't you seek it?
4 A It didn't sound to me as if there was other information.
5 Leroy was saying the same thing he's been saying all
6 along.
7 Q Well, Leroy said that he had a doctor's clearance in
8 order to return to duty.
9 A No. Leroy said he didn't need a doctor's statement
10 since he wasn't sick.
Ed. Note: Repeating the medical fact overruled by
Col. Benacquista's extortion.
11 Q Your testimony here in Agency No. 9 says at paragraph 2,
12 sentence 2:
13 14 icate from 20 January, and that it cleared him for duty."
15 A I'm sorry, you're right. And I told him to take his
16 certificate to the dispensary.
Ed. Note: Which he did,
to no avail, as per Col. Benacquista's extortion.
17 Q Assuming that he did not, did you inquire further from
18 his doctors?
19 A No.
20 A Didn't you have a conflict as to what the circumstances
21 were with regard to his condition?
22 A No. It was my understanding that if Mr. Pletten was able
23 to return to work he knew the procedures. He knew that
24 he had to get a doctor's statement and that he had to be
25 cleared by the dispensary.
Ed. Note: The real truth is,
Col. Benacquista's extortion. TACOM Reg. 600-5.14 provides for employee self-clearances, and for 'excused absence' in hazard situations.
(p 49)
1 do it.
2 Q You told me previously [p 5] what you had to do, and that is
3 overturn every last shread. Before we separate we have
4 to try "everything possible." And you have obviously
5 not done everything possible; isn't that correct?
6 A Well, I suppose it would depend on how you interpret
7 everything possible. I told Leroy specifically what he
8 had to do [withdraw request for AR 1-8 compliance] and he did not do it.
9 Q I ask you to look at Tab 2-D, plus a couple, at a
10 notation from Bruce Dubin, D.O. It is typed out at
11 the bottom. Are you familiar with that?
12 A I don't know if I've seen that or not.
13 Q You've never seen it?
14 A I don't recall seeing this.
15 Q Now that you've seen it, doesn't it do something to
16 your opinion as to whether he needed a reasonably free
17 area or an absolutely smoke-free area?
18 A It doesn't do anything to me because I had to rely on
19 the Command medical officer to say whether or not that
20 cleared him to return to duty.
21 Q But, Ms. Averhard, knowing now that that exist, wouldn't
22 it put some doubt in your mind as to whether he needed a
23 reasonably free or an absolutely smoke-free area?
24 A I don't know what he needs. His doctor says that he
25 needs a smoke-free environment.
Ed. Note: Doctors had not said so. Col. Benacqusita had (Tr. at 13), to force Pletten to retract his request for compliance with AR 1-8 (Tr. at 62).
Note fixation on the whistleblower, not on the rules' intent of protecting the entire work force from smoking.
Note rehearsed perjury, pretending doctors had said, what Col. Benacquista alleged.
1 Q Doesn't it say, "an environment reasonably free of
2 contamination"?
3 A I don't know what his doctor means by reasonably free.
4 Q I understand that. But wouldn't that lead you to ques-
5 tion him as to what he meant by that?
6 A I would not question his doctor. I would ask him [Pletten] as I
7 asked him then to take that statement to the dispensary.
8 Q Which obviously got there because it is in the record
9 as supplied by the Agency.
10 11 a pretty thorough woman in the business you do -- wouldn't
12 you contact the medical officer for the facility and ask?
13 A I don't assembly the package. They go to Disability
14 Retirement but I don't know everything that goes into
15 it or who is contacted.
16 Did you ask them if he was disabled?
17 Q Did I ask who if he was disabled?
18 Q The medical officer. Did you ask him, "Do you think I
19 should apply for his disability?"
20 Q No, I didn't ask him, "Do you think I should apply for
21 his disability".
22 Q Why not?
23 Q I didn't see that it was required.
24 Nothing is required necessarily but isn't it logical to
25 find out whether you have a chance before you do something?
(pp 52-54)
1 signed?
2 A I'm not really that much into clarifying what Dr. Dubin
3 said. As I told you before, I would rely on our Command
4 medical officer to handle that portion of it.
5 Q I understand. But as an individual decision maker you
6 are the one who is putting your name to the end of this
7 man's career. Do you understand that?
8 A Yes.
9 Q Are you standing behind this statement you made on
10 November 27, 1981, when you signed that document?
11 A At the time I signed that document that was the best
12 information I had.
13 Q What about now?
14 A I don't have anything that contradicts it because I
15 don't know what Dr. Dubin means by reasonable.
16 Q And do you know if the medical staff contacted Dr. Dubin?
17 A I don't know.
18 Q When was it established the working conditions at TARCOM
19 -- excuse me, TACOM. T-A-C-O-M -- met OSHA requirements?
20 A I was advised of it by either the industrial hygienist
21 or the safety officer. I am not sure.
22 Q When were those studies taken?
23 A I don't remember.
24 Q So you don't have any independent knowledge of what they
25 have established?
1 A I have the information that they provided me. I did not
2 conduct the studies myself, if that's what you mean.
3 Q Did you read the studies?
4 A I read their report that said that we met the require-
5 ments.
6 Q How frequently were those reports done?
7 A I don't know.
8 Q Was there one report or two reports?
9 A I don't know.
10 Q You don't know?
11 A I don't know.
12 Q What are the OSHA requirements?
13 A I don't know.
14 Q You've told me that you have looked at the Department
15 of Army Requirements?
16 A I've looked at the Department of Army Regulation [1-8] that
17 you mentioned.
18 Q Yes. Did you ask for guidance as to what the requirements
19 are in interpreting that regulation?
20 A The regulation is relatively straightforward, if I
21 recall.
22 Q So you've stated [in letter] that it was established that you had
23 complied with OSHA requirements even though you don't
24 know what those requirements are?
Ed. Note: Again testing to expose the rehearsed perjury. TACOM's attorney can be expected to become concerned!
25
(pp 58-59)
1 office applied."
2 Q
3 A Yes.
4 Q 5 physician's statement concerning your current medical
6 status."
7
8 A Okay.
9 Q Now, in your letter of proposed removal you stated that
10 you had requested revised medical information, not
11 updated medical information.
12
13 A I didn't draft this letter.
14 Q I know. Did you see the letter before you drafted the
15 proposal to remove?
16 A I really can't remember. [Ed. Note: A typical smoker symptom.]
17 Q I mean, you didn't draft the proposal to remove, did you?
18 A No. I said that already.
19 Q All right. And that was by somebody in the Personnel
20 Branch?
21 A Management-Employee Relations Branch.
22 Q Mrs. Bertram?
23 A Right.
24 Q Mrs. Bertram probably did it. Do you agree that there
25 is a difference between revised medical information in
1 the November 27 removal and updated information?
2 A They are different words, yes.
3 Q Mr. Pletten had already provided a revised physician
4 statement of January 20, 1981, had he not? The one that
5 I have shown you from Dr. Dubin.
6 A Yes.
7 Q This isn't at all referenced is it?
8 A Are you talking about a letter from January?
9 A Yes.
10 A Right. It's not referenced in this [my] letter from November.
11 Q And you say in the next line,
12 13 you by the due date of 10 November there is no basis for
14 returning you to duty at this installation."
15 16 isn't it?
17 A Where were you? I'm sorry.
18 Q Paragraph 3, sentence 2.
19 20 you . . ."
21 A Yes.
22 Q So the reference to that January 20 letter may have
23 changed the whole complexion of this letter, might it not
24 have?
25 A Well, when I read this it says that they were asking for
(pp 62-69)
1 exactly remember what it was but the record will have
2 to speak for itself as to what his testimony was.
3 Q (By Mr. Cohen) Well, if I were to tell you that
4 Col. Benacquista said that he had the authority to ban
5 smoking but has chosen not to and that [Tr. at 24-25] he didn't feel
6 it was necessary — I think those are almost his exact
7 words — then this statement would be incorrect; is that
8 true?
9 A It was my understanding that the Command could not provide
10 Mr. Pletten a smoke-free work environment.
11 Q By those words "smoke-free work environment," what did
12 you understand that to mean?
13 A Free of smoke.
14 Q Is that just cigarette smoke or all smoke or what?
15 A Smoke free means free of all smoke to my understanding,
16 particularly tobacco smoke.
17 Q Did you inquire as to whether the Command could ban
18 tobacco smoke?
19 A I was under the impression that the Command could not
20 provide the environment that Mr. Pletten's physician
21 said he required. [Ed. Note: As per Col. Benacquista's extortion.]
22 Q Who fed you with that impression?
23 A Pardon?
24 Q How did you arrive at that impression?
25 A In [ex parte] discussions with Mr. Hoover.
1 Q So Mr. Hoover would more properly have drafted the
2 letter? He would be the one who had the personal
3 knowledge in this area; would he not?
4 A I don't know what his personal knowledge is. You asked
5 me where I got the information.
6 Q He asked you where you got the information?
7 A You asked me where I got the information.
8 Q Were there other alternatives to separation from Federal
9 Service suggested?
10 A We had exhausted the other alternatives, which were to
11 provide Mr. Pletten with sufficient time to recover, if
12 that's what he was going to do or to have a change in
13 his condition or have him return to work and nothing had
14 happened along those lines.
15 Q Did you seek a prognosis from his doctors?
16 A I asked him to provide a doctor's statement, yes.
17 You told me you weren't involved in the preliminary
18 stuff, only when it got down to your concern over your
19 own command and then you went to Mr. Hoover and said,
20 "I need more staffing."
21 Q Did you seek to establish a hazard-free
22 environment for Mr. Pletten within your branch?
23 A It was my understanding that it was Mr. Pletten's condi-
24 tion that was the problem. Our environment did meet
25 the requirements for a safe working environment.
Ed. Note: This is rehearsed perjury, as per adherence to Col Benacquista's extortion. Averhart had never heard of AR 1-8 criteria, USACARA Report, OSHA rules on TTS emissions, pure air rights, now is suddenly an expert on them! TACOM in fact met none of the requirements!
(p 72)
2 create but that it is what can we work with that [already] exists
3 here.
Ed. Note: This verifies whistleblower Pletten's point all along, that the so-called "accommodation" process never began, was never even considered.
Averhart's response pursuant to the TACOM party line (refusal to cease permitting smoking as per AR 1-8 criteria) derives from Benacquist'a extortion (Dep p 62) which nobody was allowed to overrule.
Note also Averhart's tobacco addiction, mental disorder, and brain damage; so deranged as to be literally unable to comprehend that the whole idea of the common, federal, and state pure air rules, Army pure air regulations, etc., etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, is to make, command, direct, force, compel, local Army commanders who otherwise deems themselves above the law, to change their local polluted atmospheres into non-polluted ones.
In law, "what ought to be done is fixed by a standard . . . whether it usually is complied with or not." Texas & Pac Ry v Behymer, 189 US 468, 470; 23 S Ct 622, 623; 47 L Ed 903 (1903). Law is "designed to disrupt" nonconforming practice, U.S. v City of Los Angeles, 595 F2d 1386, 1391 (CA 9, 1979). A "practice" "not based upon any rule of law" must be reversed and rejected, Biafore v Baker, 119 Mich App 667; 326 NW2d 598 (1982); The T. J. Hooper, 60 F2d 737, 740 (CA 2, 1932). Due to Averhart'sbrain condition, she was unable to comprehend even simple concepts such as this.
Once EEOC review begins, ANY EEOC adjudicator will INASTANTLY pick up on this, and observe that TACOM, having ordered Pletten off-post in a furious rage of anger that he had won the 25 Jan 1980 USACARA Report [see overview] telling TACOM to start disrupting its unlawful practice of cigarette smuggling and TTS emissions, had never begun compliance, had not even thought about it, and refused to speak with Pletten after having hysterically ordered him off-post.
This fact is a fundamental reason Pletten wants EEOC forum review, not MSPB's. It is undisputed that MSPB policy and practice via its adjudicators and staff, is bribe-ridden, and brazenly disregards, spits on and refuses to acknowledge TACOM confessions against interest.
Note the New York City Commission to Investigate Alleged Police Corruption, the Knapp Commission Report on Police Corruption (1972). [Context]. That Commission found that while not all police are corrupt, eg.g, bribed, those who are not, typically look the other way with respect to corrupt colleagues, so prosecutions are rare. The situation is worse at MSPB, a continuing criminal enterprise, as per its unanimous fixed policy and practice, such that no MSPB official takes action against colleagues' corruption, crimes, and racketeering.
6 accommodation.
10 disability and/or disabled persons, handicaps?
14 He had a condition that said he couldn't work in our
15 office environment.
17 was so handicapped?
Ed. Note: a question testing for perjury, as Pletten had not made such claims. Instead of obeying the USACARA Report, TACOM immediately made its February 1980 decision to terminate Pletten, ordered him off-premises 17 March 1980 (mere weeks after the 15 Feb 1980 transittal of the 25 Jan 1980 USACARA Report) so ultra-fast he couldn't, even had he wanted to!!
What Pletten had been doing, was seeking implementation of USACARA's Report, making clear his anticipated testimony of non-compliance, re which the extortion occurred, attempting to force change in, forestall, such anticipated testimony.
Moreover, Pletten, an experienced personnel official, used the terminology of USACARA Report implementation.
And as a 'Crime Prevention Officer, he used the terminology of pertinent criminal law precedents!!
Neither involves using bizarre, unfamiliar 'handicapper' terminology. The status of being a non-smoker is not an abnormality! Thus that status does not seek, warrant, have any relevancy to, 'accommodation' terminology!
Ed. Note: Note, pursuant to the TACOM-coaching-of-witnesses, her promptly committing the tested-for perjury.
She had been a fellow co-worker, never had been an official to whom to address such matters.
Pletten been forced off-post 17 March 1980. This was before she claimed management status.
23 "Mr. Pletten, handicapped." I knew him for many years
24 before this condition became known.
Ed. Note: again testing for perjury, as per Pletten never having made such protestations.
1 you still don't think he's handicapped?
3 asked me if I thought of him as handicapped.
4 I think of him as Leroy Pletten.
6 this is at Tab 14. I'm sorry, it's at Tab 13. It
7 indicates in "Agency Response to Issues"—and this is
8 the third paragraph from the bottom. It says:
9 "The grievance to which Mr. Pletten refers
10 relating to smoking, was resolved by a USACARA report
11 dated 25 January 1980. The Agency though not agreeing
12 with all the findings of fact accepted the recommendations
13 in said report, thereby bringing the grievance to an end."
16 this is.
18 It is just a summary but a portion of it is in there.
19 Had you ever seen that before?
22 those?
25 take further action necessary to provide Mr. Pletten
1 with an immediate work area which is "reasonably free
2 of contamination." Do you recognize that?
5 that seems to jog with that, does it not?
8 they?
11 and you have seen it before, is what didn't the Agency
12 agree with in terms of the findings of fact by the
13 report?
21 when he left?
24 his desk?
Ed. Note: since he had been forced off-post over two years before!!
(pp 76-77)
2 discomfort? I mean, do they ever change?
5 the case that they don't change that dislike; isn't that
6 true?
9 that.
12 then for today?
8 BY MS. BACON:
10 A Robert J. Lang, L-a-n-g. 11 Q What is your position at TARCOM? 12 A I am the TACOM Facility Engineer. 13 Q How long have you held that positionm approximately? 14 A Oh, roughly about 12 years [i.e., since about 1970]. 15 Q Are you familiar with the appellant in this matter,
17 A Yes, I am. 18 Q How did you first become acquainted with Mr. Pletten? 19 A Through personnel actions at the installation. 20 Q Were you ever asked to check ventilation in Mr. Pletten's
22 A Yes, I was. 23 Q Why were you asked to check the ventilation? 24 A Because Leroy had indicated to the supervisor there was not
(pp 3-13)
(pp 17-18) (pp 20-27)
-Lang -31- (pp 32-33)
(pp 36-38) (p 40)
(pp 43-44)
(p 46) 1 Q Mr. Kator? 2 A I am not sure. It could have been. 3 MR. COHEN: I have nothing further. 4 ([Lang deposition concluded] 9:35 a.m.) 5 [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
9 BY MS. BACON:
11 A Evelyn Bertram. 12 Q What is your position, Mrs. Bertram? 13 A Employee Relations Specialist. 14 Q How long have you worked at that particular position? 15 A Six or seven years [i.e., since 1975 or 1976]. 16 Q What are the responsibilities of your position? 17 A Advice and assistance to supervisors and managers in the
20 Q Is your function as advisor or decision-maker? 21 A Oh, as advisor. 22 Q Which managers and supervisors do you advise? 23 A The R and D Center -- Research and development Center,
(pp 3-17)
(pp 20-22)
(pp 24-31)
(pp 34-60) 1 there was this sudden interest and concentrated inquiry to 2 determine the atmosphere and environment and its use, all the 3 studies made to check on air movement, and so on, does that 4 not seem unusual to you? 5 A I don't quite understand -- 6 Q They had not been doing the study with regularity, there was
10 MS. BACON: I object to the question being
12 Q (By Mr. Cohen): Mrs. Bertram doesn't. It seems like all of
14 A No. And I don't think your term "suddenly" is appropriate.
17 MR. COHEN: I have nothing further. 18 MS. BACON: I have nothing further. 15 ([Bertram deposition concluded] 11:45 p.m..) 19 [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
9 BY MS. BACON:
12 A William D. O'Connor. 13 Q What is your position? 14 A Deputy Civilian Personnel Officer at TACOM. 15 Q How long have you held that position? 16 A Since July of 1980. 17 Q What are your duties in that position? 18 A I am the alter ego of the Civilian Personnel Officer,
24 Q I refer you to tab eight of the Agency's response, and
(pp 4-15) 1 Q And if I suggest to you that the air flow does not
6 A I would have to look at it. If, and I assume you are
12 Whether Mrs. Bertram had such a study made,
14 MR. COHEN: Nothing further. 15 ([O'Connor] Deposition concluded.) 16 * * * * [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
(pp 27-30)
[Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
8 BY MS. BACON:
10 A Earnest Peters, Jr. 11 Q What is your position, Mr. Peters? 12 A I am Safety Specialist. 13 Q How long have you held that position? 14 A Since July '79. 15 Q What are the duties involved in your position? 16 A In general, my duties would be to insure that the working
19 Q What kind of training have you had, what is your background? 20 A For the Safety Specialist job, I was training for six months
24 Q Not on-the-job training? 25 A Once I got on the job at TACOM, it consisted on going around (pp 3-41) 1 flammable and combustible storage and smoking therein. 2 Q But other than it, your office is almost unrelated to the
5 A Yes, I would say that. I don't like the question, but I
7 MR. COHEN: No further questions. 8 MS. BACON: Nothing further. 9 ([Peters deposition concluded] 3:16 p.m.) 10 [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
9. Deposition of John Dollberg,
a TACOM Safety Engineer
(His Type Methodology Had Been
Overruled by USACARA's Report)
8 BY MS. BACON: 9 Q State your name for the record, please. 10 A John Dollberg. 11 Q What is your position? 12 A Safety Engineer at Army Tank-Automotive Command. 13 Q How long have you held that position? 14 A I have been at the Tank-Automotive Command since March of
16 Q What are your responsibilities and duties in that position? 17 A As Safety Engineer we are responsible for safety and health
(pp 4-8)
1 discussed by you? 2 A We dealt with the actual facts and acted on the standards
4 But you dealt with the standards and regulations as you
6 Correct. 7 From my reading, and my argument to you just now, was it
11 A Again I am not a medical expert. That is why we contacted
13 Q It does not take a medical expert to ask a man if he is in
17 To comply with the regulations for the Command. 18 Q What about this part, did you investigate that and make any
20 A That is what we were performing the survey for. 21 Did you make any surveys with Mr. Pletten to see if he was
23 What do you mean? 24 Did you talk to Mr. Pletten and say, "Are you discomforted
1 A No. 2 Q Did you talk to Mr. Pletten and ask him if he was annoyed
4 A No. 5 Q Before today, did you ever meet Mr. Pletten? 6 A No.
7 Q This gentleman here is Mr. Pletten, Mr. Dollberg. 8 Q Now, Mr. Shirock is your boss. Did
11 A He sent me to sample for contaminants. 12 Q He didn't send you to talk to Leroy Pletten? 13 A At the time I was there, he was not in the office. 14 Q You were not directed to talk to Leroy? 15 A No. 16 Q From—I don't mean to be argumentative, but from the stand-
21 A Yes, I believe we made full evaluations. 22 Q As to the scientific facts, or including these human factors? 23 A The scientific facts was my side. 24 Q You didn't make any view into the human factor? 25 A In terms of whether there were contaminants exceeding the 1 regulations, we did.
2 Q In terms of subjective analysis? 3 A No, that is not really my responsibility. 4 Q If it was to be found later -- let's go on. Have you any
7 A No. 8 Q You were never given that to read at all? 9 A No. 10 Q I am going to quote from Page 12, although it has been
19 A Again, he wanted us to sample for contaminants in the air. 20 Q Were you the technician just going out there and getting
22 A Taking readings and determining if there was a problem and
24 Q Was Mr. Shirock going to look into the subjective aspect of
1 I can't say specifically what he was talking about with the 2 Medical Department. 3 Q We will have the opportunity to speak with him. Let's go on.
6 A Another member of our Safety Office, a safety specialist.
9 Q You did Building 230, main building, and 219, which is
11 A Another building on the installation. 12 Q A smaller building than 230? 13 A It is a more industrial building; it is smaller. 14 Q You took a reading outside Building 219, but not 230. Why is
16 A The buildings are fairly close, so reading outside one would
18 Q How many places within Building 230 did you take a reading? 19 A Two on this particular survey. 20 Q How big is Building 230? 21 A In terms of people, size, square footage? 22 Q Square footage. 23 A I don't know. I would be guessing, I don't know the exact
25 Q If I were to suggest 250,000 square feet for all the floors? 1 It is a big building? 2 A Yes, I would say that could be reasonable. 3 Q Now, that being the case, would two areas be representative
6 A Representative of that portion of the building that is on the
8 Q How many ventilating systems in Building 230? 9 A To my knowledge, there is three. 10 Q If I were to tell you Mr. Braun testified this morning there
12 A I thought there were three. 13 Q Would that have affected you if you had known there were six
15 A Not necessarily. We were just getting sampling in typical
17 A What time of day were these taken? 18 A 1350 hours. 19 Q That would be almost 4:00? 20 A Almost 2:00. 21 Q I'm sorry. Military time is 10 minus two? 22 A 1415 would be 2:15; 1430 would be 2:30 and 1630 would be
24 Q Are those the times most people are there? 25 A I believe so. It was early afternoon before people started (pp 14-20) 2 A Inside two rooms. 3 Q They were taken next to smokers? 4 A We were taking representative samples, but I don't remember. 5 Q How many people in a square—10-foot square area where you
7 A Again, I didn't record that. 8 Q So it could have been there was one person in the area or 15
12 A There may have been smoke in the air, if that is what you
Q 14 It may have registered, Mr. Dollberg, if you had taken it
16 A I don't know. It depends on the test. 17 I am going to take one last run at this. It is the last part
19 Q You are responsible for Army regulations and
21 A Yes. 22 Q If you don't take into consideration the subjective human
25 A It would be more his. 1 Q Are you familiar with the fact that several employees have 2 filed claims stemming from smoking-related conditions? 3 A I don't know what you mean by claim. 4 Q You mentioned you were aware of other claims in the office.
6 A I knew of one other. 7 Q Who was that involving, please? 8 A I don't know the individual's name, but it is in a different
10 MR. COHEN: All right. No further questions. 11 MS. BACON: Nothing further. 12 (3:55 p.m.) 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 click here for .pdf Full Text) |
9 BY MS. BACON: 10 Q Mr. Hoover, would you state your name for the record,
12 A Edward E. Hoover. 13 Q What is your position? 14 Q Civilian Personnel Officer, TACOM. 15 Q How long have you held that position? 16 A Slightly over a year. 17 Q What was your position previous to the one you are
19 A Deputy Civilian Personnel Officer. 20 Q How long did you hold that position? 21 A From June of 1978. 22 Q What are the duties and responsibilities involved in
24 A To carry out the civilian personnel management program
(pp 4-12)
(pp 18-21)
(pp 23-25)
(pp 27-28)
(pp 31-51) (pp 53-57)
(pp 59-74) 1 that report? 2 A No, I am not. 3 Q Are you aware of any parts of the Command that may
6 A I would presume if there is any contact of that nature,
8 Q You know he is in charge of air flow studies? 9 A Yes, Mr. Shirock [smoker] is in charge of environmental
11 MR. COHEN: Nothing further. 12 MS. BACON: I have nothing further. 13 (Deposition concluded.) 14 * * * * [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
9 BY MS. BACON: 10 Q What is your position, Mr. Shirock? 11 A Civil Service lists it as a Supervisory Safety
14 Q Do you have any responsibilities as far as the
16 A Yes. Under the law, the Director of Safety or the
18 Q Can you give me some background as far as your
20 A I have a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry. I have
25 Q Are you acquainted with the Appellant in this case, Mr. (pp 3-41) 1 cubic feet. 2 A the document does not say forty-eight hundred, but my
4 Q You base that on what? 5 A On knowing the system and the way I read the document. 6 Q And your [ex parte] discussions with Mr. Lang, of course? 7 A Yes. We have talked about it. 8 Q Do you have such instruments that measure the
10 A Mr. Lang has. 11 Q Does he use them? 12 A You would have to ask Mr. Lang that question. 13 Q I asked him. He said he uses whatever he had. 14 A I have no idea. 15 MR. COHEN: Nothing further. 16 MS. BACON: I have nothing further. 17 ([Shirock] Deposition concluded. [3:16 p.m.]) 18 * * * * [Click here for .pdf Full Text.] |
(pp 5-14)
(pp 17-24)
(pp 26-31)
(pp 34-40)
(pp 42-64)
(pp 66-69)
(pp 72-73)
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[Click here for .pdf Text.] |
1 unable [Ed. Note: REFUSING] to meet that. So in counseling with Mr. Hoover, 2 reviewing the case, it was decided that he should be 3 released.
17 Q AR 1-8 is what in your understanding.
18 A I'm going to be really honest with you. I have not
20 Q Did you refer to it prior to the dismissal of Mr. Pletten?
21 A No.
22 Q Have you ever read it?
23 A No.
10 Mr. Pletten's argument is that -- Mr. Pletten
16 A That has not been reported to me.
17 Q That has not. Okay. Well, if it hasn't been reported,
1 Q Did you review, for example, the 25 January 1980 report from
3 A I don't recall right now. I don't know if I saw it. It
24 Did you consider banning smoking at the Tank Command?
25 No, I haven't considered banning smoking.
1 Do you have the authority to do that?
2 I don't think so. I don't think I have the authority
1 A I can't answer the question. I don't know.
2 Q I'm concerned when you say you didn't speak to Mr. Pletten
6 A I have a great deal of confidence in Mr. Hoover. Part of
13 Q You heard a lot about Mr. Pletten from the day you got there?
14 A Yes, I'd heard of him.
15 Q Did you think he was a crackpot or a freak incident with
17 A No. I don't judge people in that manner. I can't afford
22 And you would have been willing to meet with him?
23 A Oh, absolutely.
24 MR. COHEN: Nothing further.
25 MS. BACON: I have nothing further.
25 MR. COHEN: Colonel, thank you.
[26] ([Stallings] Deposition concluded at
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10 BY MR. SIEGEL: 11 Q Doctor, could you state your name? 12 A Bruce Don Dubin. 13 Q And your occupation? 14 A Physician. 15 Q What are your business offices? 16 A 1385 East 12 Mile Road, Madison Heights, and the Milford,
19 Q Doctor, do you specialize in any particular branch of
21 A I'm a specialist in internal medicine with a sub-
24 Q Doctor, are you familiar with Leroy Pletten? 25 A Yes, I am.
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(pp 10-12)
1 The only way Mr. Pletten can work is in a smoke-free 2 environment. 3 Q All right, fine.
8 If I can give you further
18 Did [TACOM's] Dr. Holt ever contact you re-
23 MR. SIEGEL: I have no further
[Dubin Deposition concluded.] o o o 9 |
5 MR. COHEN: Let the record reflect
10 Counsel, as Dr. Schwartz was a
14 MS. BACON: The Army stipulates as
21 BY MR. COHEN: 22 Q Doctor, state your name and business address for the
24 A David Schwartz. I'm a physician, M. D. My address is
1 I have had no feedback regarding him. I certainly
4 MS. BACON: Okay. I don't have
6 MR. COHEN: That's it. Thank you,
8 [Schwartz Deposition concluded.] o o o 9 |
5 MR. COHEN: Let the record reflect
9 Dr. Holt, I'd like to thank you
11 Dr. Holt appears today as a continua-
16 having been first duly sworn to testify to the truth,
20 BY MR. COHEN: 21 Q Dr. Holt, would you state your full name and your pro-
23 A Francis J. Holt. I'm the medical officer at the Tank
25 Q How long have you been there, sir? 1 A Eighteen years. 2 Q Your training is from where? 3 A I graduated from Wayne State University College of
7 Q If I could. 8 A I took a U. S. Naval internship at Newport, Rhode
18 Q Do you have a board-certified specialty? 19 A No, I am not board-certified. 20 Q In any specialty? 21 A In any specialty, no. 22 Q What training do you have in pulmonary functions,
24 A No normal training in pulmonary functions. 25 Q How did you come to know or be aware of the (p 5)
(p 7)
(p 9)
1 A Medically disqualified? We have people with asthma
4 Q Why is the Army trying to disqualify him now, then? 5 A Mr. Pletten requires a completely smoke-free work
7 Q Who says? 8 A Dr. Dubin and Dr. Salomon say that with letters we
10 Q Are you familiar with Dr. Dubin's letter completely? 11 A I'm familiar with his letters, yes. 12 Q All of them? 13 A Well, I've read them. At one time or another, I've
15 Q How about this one of 1-20-81? 16 A Yes, I saw that note but Dr. Dubin— 17 Q Why don't you read it for the record? 18 A (Reading): "To Whom It May Concern:
regulation (AR 1-8) that TACOM was defying.] 24 Q Where does that say "completely smoke-free"? 25 A It doesn't, but elsewhere Dr. Dubin has said "absolutely (p 11)
(p 13)
(p 15)
(p 17)
(p 20)
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1 Q All right. So if the Army regulation were a hundred
4 A They might not be. But apparently Mr. Pletten requires 6 Q Wait a minute, now. The question is you haven't pro-
9 A Okay. Okay. Yes. 10 Q Have you made studies to comply with AR 1-8 on a
12 A The post engineer—engineering facility is striving
14 Q So they may make it yet? 15 A Sure. Sure. That's a theoretical possibility but
17 Q Excluding mechanical failures, I was asking—and I
(pp 27-30)
(p 32)
(pp 34-41)
1 Mr. Hoover has told you — that several people have
6 A Slaughter. 7 Q A Mrs. Slaughter. I misstated myself. Mrs. Slaughter
11 A Yes. Yes. 12 Q And there's a hazard for all these other people. Isn't
14 A Yes. Yes. 15 Q Have you been asked— 16 A People smoking in their vicinity is hazardous to
18 Q Have you been asked for medical disqualification for 19 A No. 21 Q Why not, do you think? 22 A Again, medical disqualification is not the right term.
(pp 43-45)
(pp 47-51)
(pp 53-59)
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(p 73)
(pp 75-77)
(pp 79-109) 1 it was transmitted. 2 Q What did you do with it? 3 A I think it was transmitted to General Decker but I'm
5 Q Who would have transmitted it? Did you? 6 A I don't recall. 7 Q Are you familiar with a 24 March 1980 memorandum,
10 A I amended that because of the language. I guess I
19 Q Why? 20 A That was not my province. 21 Q Were there further directives coming from DA regarding
23 A Yes, but I was advised that I could not—what? 24 Q Yes or no? 1 A Were there? 2 Q Yes. 3 A Not to my knowledge. 4 Q Then why did you put it in? 5 A I was trying to be helpful. That's why I put it in.
7 Q And who told you to take it out? 8 A I believe it was Colonel Phillips, but I'm not abso-
10 Q Let me read to you from a letter from R. W. Kaufmann. 11 MR. COHEN: Can we go off the
13 (Discussion off the record.) 14 Q (by Mr. Cohen:) Let me show you an exhibit I'm going
18 Will you look at that, please?
21 A Okay. 22 Q Can you identify it for me, please? Tell me what
24. A It is a letter from R. W. Kaufmann, Lieutenant
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